Tom

i still cant work out how you reduce the plates/ scales on a bearded dragon to make them smooth geneticly?..

how is it done, i do not plan to do it, but would like to understand how, and the proccess in witch it takes to achieve such a morph.
If anyone can pass on some info that would be great.
Tom

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TyMilsom

Morphs are essentially animals with genetic faults. Breeders take advantage of these to recreate and use in combination with other traits to make designer morphs.

As such you cannot set out to create say an albino, you must have an albino by fluke of nature to begin the process, as this is a recessive trait. You can however create some morphs by selective breeding, for example pastel boas are the result of a polygenetic trait, line breeding, by putting pale pastel colours together and breeding, keeping the holdbacks, breeding those etc.. (but avoiding in breeding).

There are two differing leatherbacks, one is codominant, the other is recessive.

Cheers
Ty

Tom

so every morph that is co-dom is at some point caused, and breed through a wild type gene pool somewhere along its history?..

if im on the right tracks thats amazing!

and if im not being stupid when i say this, but that surley means there are possibly hundreads per species we are unaware off?
again, if so, does that come through wild species who are cross breed?

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jo x

The inheritance of a co-dominant gene works in a similar way to a simple recessive gene with exception of the fact that the heterozygous form are visibly different than the normals, whereas simple recessive genes display only in their homozygous form. am i right Ty or shall i shut up

TyMilsom

Actually, no i correct myself, it doesnt have to be a wild animal, a genetic mutation can pop up from any new born animal, it is a random occuring event. Once you have that mutation, then you can go on to prove out what type of trait it is, and then replicate it.

The potential for new base morphs is always ongoing, and for every new base morph comes a whole wave of new designer morphs.

Cheers

Ty

TyMilsom

Quite right Jo!

Tom

thats quiet amazing.

so what actually is the cause for the hidden genetics, is it purly nature,or "family traits" through generations, or do all carry the seperate traits, but some have higher % of such trait, is it that witch comes through?..

i just find it amazing. enetics are hard work, but so intresting.

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jo x

The Leatherback did not come into being through generation after generation of inbreeding to reduce the scale size.It started with 1 individual animal which looked different from its clutchmates so it was yes infact purley nature. That animal was then raised and bred to an unrelated animal, producing what seemed to be expected ratios for either a Dominant or Co-dominant (Leatherback/Normal) mutation. The "super" form the silkback was identified by breeding 2 siblings that displayed the Leatherback trait.

TyMilsom

There is also at least 2 distinct lines of simple recessive l/b currently.

Fundo

haha when I first read the title of this thread I thought you meant turtles! I was gonna say,

"well Tom, when a mommy leatherback and a daddy leatherback love each other very much..."